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this could be back with you again you

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got Heidi house on with us and the great

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guest tonight in that mark Muncie with

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weird flora put about a 30% of the time

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and it is a weird place believe me it's

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a lot weirder than you to ever believe

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and come to find out even quiet old

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stage st. Petersburg is a hotbed of

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weirdness which you wouldn't think is

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you get the idea of playing shuffleboard

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I'd make sense well I guess it does but

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that's why I insist on dying in a New

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York state so that I don't have to haunt

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Texas and no I mean if mother's old

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bones have to cross a state line before

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worry about that later though but now we

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have some great news tonight really

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great news I mean different news stories

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do you see that's a 60 minute special

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Sunday night on the expose of the DEA no

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the whistleblower guy okay what happened

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was this guy is a high up official who

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is both a lawyer and a pharmacist which

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is a weird combo we got a lawyer an

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engineer that's yeah but I mean this is

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specific for the DEA those be yeah and

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what what it is though is he at one time

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supervised 600 employees and he was any

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rate the battle was with Congress and

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this and that you know Pennsylvania

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congressman a Marino and some and

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another one and what it is to make a

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long story short is the government is

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completely utterly in bed with the

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pharmaceutical industry I mean I mean

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just like freaking frack and what

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happens is guy guys would leave say the

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the DEA and so forth

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and then they take jobs as long as

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lobbyists or no as a

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Consultants if you will to the

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pharmaceutical companies in other words

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of people regulate them they go and they

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tell them how to you know get around

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rules and all that that sounds like

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politics typical politics it's be a

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senator and gonna be a lobbyist for oh

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yeah yeah but this is even more seedy

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though because it deals with law

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enforcement and actually Trump's drug

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czar this Marino guy has actually

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stepped down because of all the through

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haha that the CBS special cause and just

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as an example get this you'll probably

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know things like this from your medical

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insights but yeah one one town in West

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Virginia Heidi a town of 346 people

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which must include some kids one year

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they got nine million doses of opioids

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sold in that town in one year

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nine million we're talking enough that

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ain't crooked and sick there's nothing

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that if this and why the poor slobs in

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West Virginia I don't know it I guess

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there the idea would be is they would be

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intern reselling these things or

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something I mean no one could take that

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and he'd still be on the earth you know

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all right Wow but but this is the

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biggest thing 60 minutes is had since I

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don't know when and they've been talking

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about it ever since

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and let's just put it this way this guy

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at one time I don't have his name handy

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right now but at one guy guy do is

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Google 60 minutes story on the opioids

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but what it is is they marginalize this

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guy because of the ruckus he was making

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and he they took him from basically

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supervising 600 people into some kind of

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a you know mapa room closet or something

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why are you supervising nobody and at

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you know that's terrible

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oh this is so sick it's

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it makes you want to literally go

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outside and throw up but and then it

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went on to list a whole mess of other

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and you know intertwining you know

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associations you know similar guys that

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were the DA and like I say that crossed

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over and the other side and it's just

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disgusting and there's a phenomenal

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number of deaths associated with us

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every year too no doubts I mean you

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can't sugarcoat if that's what they are

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yeah and I mean it's you know they don't

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actually have a gun in their hand but

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just about just about the pearly gates

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with their history know and they know

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what's going on Heidi they're not stupid

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man I mean that's you know this guy the

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whistle blower guy who's a lawyer and a

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pharmacist that's a lot of Education

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right now so anyway that's that's the

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story but and like I say as of today I

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heard on the news at this theoretical

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Trump drug czar he stepped down or

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something like that and it's just a real

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bunch of ruckus but I got it once again

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I've always been a CBS fan of going back

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all the way to Walter Cronkite so I

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guess it's it they've lived up to their

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reputation of excellence so I have to

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take my hat off to him so anyway on an

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on a less negative note there's a

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excellent and I mean excellent new

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marryin operation which occurred two in

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Indian school children in India I mean

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you know middle eastern Indian and

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hundreds of them experienced the odour

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of sanctity and saw a vision of the

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Virgin Mary under an altar over there

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and a lot of these kids were young young

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kids not even old enough to know the

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Virgin I mean it some of them weren't

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even Christians that were exposed to

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this they didn't know that they didn't

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know the Virgin Mary from Donald Trump

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and what I'm saying is and you know I

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from experiencing the odour of sanctity

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I could promise you it's like getting

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it's a pleasant thing

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but a there's no ignoring it and there's

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no mistake here I mean you know what you

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experience and especially young chill

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especially young children that well you

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know they don't know anything so anyway

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I thought that was pretty good so that's

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a couple new Marian apparitions in just

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last month it's amazing so is the

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Catholic Church investigating oh yeah

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yeah they'd always do they're pretty

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good about that now I mean there's some

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serious investigators my boys they

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really are they're uh they're having

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they're serious boys but any were coming

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close to the end but now next week we're

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gonna have Gary Parker on and he's gonna

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talk about hidden alien messages in the

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pyramids and then the guests of guests

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is going to be on the 31st and that's

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what can Pam Geller not not not my baby

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no okay but Pam Geller is gonna be on

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and she's got all kinds of insights and

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her website you'll see it'll heal just

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this is a phenomenon Fox and Friends all

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the time and Hannity she just a hell of

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a guest so we've got good stuff coming

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up and I don't know why you just got

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back to the Milwaukee paranormal

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conference fantastic got to meet Linda

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Godfrey again and chatted with some old

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friends from the light side group that

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are most likely we better we better get

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back to the let Joe take a break and

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we'll be right back well it's great to

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be back with Mark Muncie and Heidi

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Hollis my co-host and we're talking

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about Erie Florida and Mark it's good to

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have you all right well thanks for

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well you we were talking the thing that

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was so bizarre tonight is we were

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talking before the air air time and

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we're talking about st. Petersburg which

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most people think that st. Pete is a

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quiet shuffleboard playing place and you

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know people snore when they walk through

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it or something but evidently it's a

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hotbed of ghostly activity and weirdness

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and the every other thing well yeah I

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mean that's how we we kind of started

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20 years ago I started running a little

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charity haunted house down here called

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help you cemetery and it actually got

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its name when we were first digging a

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fake grave in the yard for yard display

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and we started coming across bones and

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seashells and we panicked and thought

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we'd found like a murder site so we

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called the cops and cops came out and

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they're like oh no no this is an

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archaeological site so we gotta know

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what it is came out and they said oh no

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this is a shell midden this is where the

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early Indian do the toka Bega's or the

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whedon island people left you know

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they're garbage so as long as you don't

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find any tools or anything you just keep

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on going and then we were like they're

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like we're just glad it wasn't one of

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the Lost cemeteries oh gee I guess so

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yeah and I'm a lost cemeteries would

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tell me more they're like oh yeah

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there's like five pioneer cemeteries

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that were built here in the early days

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and then these crazy things called

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tropical storms and hurricanes would

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come by everybody run away and then

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they'd come back and go wow look at all

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this flat land let's put up a house

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store and so there's a few of them that

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are still missing to this day one of

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them was called Hillview and the tales

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from the crypt fan and me said oh my god

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it's gotta be hell for you that's gonna

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be our haunted house and so that's where

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we started collecting stories for all

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the way back then 20 years ago

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you called it a hot - charity house how

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does that things go together it was like

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you know a you know a Halloween haunted

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house where we scare people for charity

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exactly but you know we did it for some

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local charity groups and made a lot of

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money for good but good cause before the

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city shut us down I love the concept

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scared the crap out of people for good

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cause we used to call it a scare that

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cares well you know what's funny what's

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funny mark is that heidi's from

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wisconsin which one would also normally

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associate with as a steady Freddie

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drooping deer drinking cheese eating

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budget oh it is you know country five

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types but it's there's all kinds of

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exotica up there too

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yeah we started collecting stories with

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a website and this will tell how long

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ago was it was a geocities website and

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the email was AOL taking me back oh yeah

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so that's where some of these stories

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are that old and you know it was there

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were a lot of fun to dig back out when

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we started doing the book when I

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mentioned the book and where to get it

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and and any websites or anything you

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want before we go okay yeah before we

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delve into this yeah it's Erie Florida

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chilling tales from the panhandle to the

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keys

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it's from history press you can get it

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at your local bookstore or any of those

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online places but if you go to Erie

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florida.com

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we have a link to you can order it from

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there from a local bookstore near us and

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we actually sign it and my wonderful

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illustrator Carrie Schultz will be happy

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to draw a little something on the inside

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and I'll be happy to scribble something

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on the inside for you well I've got to

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get my mitts on it because as I've told

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you off the air I I'm 30% of Floridian

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uh you know it's about how much at the

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time I spent and I had actually was an

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excellent childhood you know we lived to

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the right near the be him our yacht

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basin we were filthy rich and you know

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how he did was you know scuba dive and

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deep-sea fish and gamble and you know

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this lovely life but my my father got

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married so many times he dissipated the

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Fantastic Four Hades to get married

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every time you do smoke a cigarette

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herself thanks anyway but no it was a

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good childhood but I guess what I'm

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saying is I did have an early on

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experience so I've mentioned to you is

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that our neighbors there were near there

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we you know senior Eastern Airlines

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pilots nearby and they all saw the ghost

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movie the ghost of flight 401 that

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Ernest Borgnine played in in the 70s

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they all saw that ghost on the

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cannibalized recycled parts from the

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plane that went down yeah that's that

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was you know as surprisingly the movie

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still holds up pretty well even though

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it is a little dated

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but yeah that's a

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common story have we've heard that one

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at more than a few times

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oh well and the only other sidekick

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right for a win is that the old man also

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did as a volunteer job he used to hire

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boating instructors for all of South

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Florida he you know he did that as a

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volunteer thing with the Coast Guard and

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who see they sure didn't need the money

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but anyway he did it that way as a hobby

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and Ethan hobnobbing with these Admirals

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he found out that 10% of the you know

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accidents or disappearances were

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absolutely unexplainable I mean

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absolutely you know the Coast Guard

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Cutter would come up to a craft and

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their disc cigarette burning in the

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ashtray which might take ten minutes or

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something whatever no signs of a

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struggle and Heidi from being down there

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you know the Sharks aren't waiting to

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just swallow you whole so as you step

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your foot over the side I mean you know

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right and even even in that time my

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goodness is still be blood in the water

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or whatever you know floating past or

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something in other words no signs of a

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struggle nowhere for these people could

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get away I mean they had sonar and radar

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even back then in the 70s and they could

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tell within 10 miles around if a

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helicopter picked them up if a fast

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craft took them off if a submarine got

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them they could sell that nothing Heidi

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nothing I'm gonna guess it's a skunk ape

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that's taking people because just like

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Bigfoot in the woods

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what missing for one one you know

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they're talking about seeing hairy

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beasts running off with children so on

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the water though Heidi

335
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we're turned but on the water well what

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you mean Apes can't swim

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I'm just kidding legitimate explanation

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and I'm sure weird marks marks got a lot

339
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weirder stuff than that but let's go

340
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there tell us some good juicy stories

341
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well do you guys want the dark history

342
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stuff or do you want cryptids or do you

343
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want ghosts I can start either way let's

344
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try the dark and then we'll go to the

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ghost and the creepy account

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okay well I'll start with the darkest of

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the dark you want to talk about

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that's one of our long you've heard of

349
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the Dozier school for boys also called

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the Florida school for boys all right

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well this was basically state sponsored

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child abuse and work Oh for over a

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hundred years a hundred years yeah it

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started in around 1911 they opened this

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school up in the Panhandle near Marianna

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Florida called the Florida school for

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boys and what it was was it was meant to

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be the place where you sent the worst of

359
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the worst kids the kids that nobody else

360
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could handle it was basically Kevin

361
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didn't go there go ahead

362
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basically maximum security for you know

363
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for juvenile offenders and they you know

364
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they lovingly called it the Florida

365
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school for boys for rehabilitation and

366
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within a few years you know they had

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facilities for a hundred kids they had

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over 500 within a few minutes and you

369
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know it's Florida it's summertime it's

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hot there's no a/c you know nothing and

371
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you know it's just it was a terrible

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place and you know abuse allegations

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started almost immediately mostly from

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student to student violence and you know

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even things like wait other such it was

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you know pretty terrible place but then

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it spread to the staff pretty quick the

378
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allegations were numerous incidents were

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you know people would come investigate

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school and say yeah this is terrible but

381
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then nothing would be done and this went

382
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on for decades and what was weird was

383
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they didn't close it till 2011 and they

384
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started really researching it this one

385
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professor Kimberly from USF started

386
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investigating they had a Boothill with

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34 grave markers from people who had

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died over there well the problem is they

389
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only had records of 24 deaths

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Oh over that hundred and eleven years so

391
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they start doing some research and they

392
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start checking out the grave sites and

393
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they find 55 bodies

394
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oh and they and worse and are they yeah

395
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they you know the records are so spotty

396
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anywhere you go like if you go to some

397
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church and they'll know where or some

398
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prison somewhere and you say hey I'm

399
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looking for my great uncle's grave if

400
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you know they've got a record somewhere

401
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Dozier didn't keep records so as things

402
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like you know student missing presumed

403
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escaped or no longer here was my

404
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favorite note some of the records just

405
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yeah and yeah exactly

406
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and you know they you know so they start

407
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doing even more research and they find

408
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you know that and there's an

409
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organization called the white house boys

410
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and these are people who survived and

411
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they call him the white house boys

412
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because they had a building that they

413
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built that was supposed to be a solitary

414
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confinement building he called it the

415
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white house but actually this is where

416
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they tortured and beat the snot and

417
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worse out of kids and they had these big

418
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industrial fans installed in it they

419
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would turn those on and it was

420
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supposedly to drown out the screams some

421
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of the boys stories are just terrifying

422
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they talk about one giant black whip

423
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called Black Beauty that the

424
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superintendent used to use on him that

425
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was so long it would hit the wall hit

426
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the ceiling and then come down on your

427
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back so you hear this tap tap crack must

428
00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:02,559
have been nuns in there and all the

429
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Catholics roll right Kevin yeah some

430
00:19:15,060 --> 00:19:12,220
kids would have to know how many times

431
00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:15,070
they were beat by the kid next to them

432
00:19:19,169 --> 00:19:17,049
you know who was in the cell next to him

433
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:19,179
cuz counting for him because they'd pass

434
00:19:24,779 --> 00:19:22,720
out after a few beats and it's just oh

435
00:19:28,649 --> 00:19:24,789
and it's just terrifying and only this

436
00:19:30,389 --> 00:19:28,659
year 2017 did the state Senate finally

437
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acknowledge that there were problems

438
00:19:38,570 --> 00:19:32,350
there and apologize to the white house

439
00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:38,580
boys problems yeah late now can they see

440
00:19:43,139 --> 00:19:41,049
that's the you know there's a lot of

441
00:19:45,090 --> 00:19:43,149
stuff going on still about this and it's

442
00:19:47,789 --> 00:19:45,100
you know it's still a story developing

443
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:47,799
it recently is January of this year they

444
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:48,410
dug up

445
00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:51,530
brave of a that had been sent you know

446
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:53,270
they sent a coffin up north

447
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:55,850
to be buried and they finally found most

448
00:19:59,020 --> 00:19:57,200
these kids were like Runaways and

449
00:20:01,060 --> 00:19:59,030
orphans so they you know it's hard to

450
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:01,070
find families and DNA evidence and stuff

451
00:20:03,490 --> 00:20:01,610
like that

452
00:20:07,870 --> 00:20:03,500
but they finally found a great nephew

453
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had a you know his grand uncle dug up so

454
00:20:11,740 --> 00:20:09,440
they could check his body out up in

455
00:20:13,570 --> 00:20:11,750
Tennessee somewhere and he had been sent

456
00:20:15,910 --> 00:20:13,580
the coffin had been sent from Dozier but

457
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:15,920
Dozier had no records of his death said

458
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:18,290
oh they had the note that they had sent

459
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:21,530
with the coffin said escaped and hit by

460
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train and so the old coffin Wow

461
00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:28,460
so when they dug it up they dug up the

462
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coffin

463
00:20:38,620 --> 00:20:32,090
there was no body it was just wood

464
00:20:41,140 --> 00:20:38,630
inside the coffin yeah exactly so it's

465
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no one knows really how far it went the

466
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town is just starting to come to grips

467
00:20:47,260 --> 00:20:44,780
with it because you know most the people

468
00:20:49,810 --> 00:20:47,270
who work there lived in that town so

469
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:49,820
it's you know it's pretty dark and

470
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they're trying to figure out what to do

471
00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:53,540
with the bodies now because the state's

472
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trying to sell the land as quickly as

473
00:20:59,950 --> 00:20:58,250
possible and you know but there's still

474
00:21:01,480 --> 00:20:59,960
you know the White House boys and their

475
00:21:03,010 --> 00:21:01,490
lawyers are trying to keep it so that

476
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they can open investigations and find

477
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:05,840
stuff you know that's a heck of a story

478
00:21:13,860 --> 00:21:08,210
that really so there you go right off

479
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:16,320
hundred years that's a heck of a

480
00:21:23,950 --> 00:21:20,930
negative history for a long time so

481
00:21:27,790 --> 00:21:23,960
where did you what's next what did you

482
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:27,800
investigate this how hot did that areas

483
00:21:31,930 --> 00:21:30,170
my good that was what we originally were

484
00:21:33,460 --> 00:21:31,940
intending to write about that was

485
00:21:36,250 --> 00:21:33,470
because we heard so many ghost stories

486
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:36,260
and you can still hear the tap tech

487
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:38,450
crack of black beauty in the white house

488
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:41,810
and all this and really when there's and

489
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,130
you can hear the boys running and

490
00:21:48,130 --> 00:21:45,440
playing and you know other noises and

491
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screams and the night and supposedly you

492
00:21:51,340 --> 00:21:49,880
can still hear the industrial fans kick

493
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,350
on in the white house even though

494
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,600
there's no power there anymore

495
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,240
the problem is the land is sealed it's

496
00:22:00,250 --> 00:21:58,240
you know there's a security guard there

497
00:22:02,060 --> 00:22:00,260
24/7 and you can't get in without

498
00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:02,070
special permission

499
00:22:05,420 --> 00:22:03,750
they're still fighting the the

500
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archaeologist who's been doing all this

501
00:22:08,540 --> 00:22:07,080
is still having trouble getting on the

502
00:22:10,340 --> 00:22:08,550
land to do further investigations

503
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:10,350
because they're you know it's private

504
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,290
owner now and it's owned by the state

505
00:22:18,830 --> 00:22:15,120
and they're just stonewalling everything

506
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:18,840
exactly so we started to write that but

507
00:22:22,190 --> 00:22:20,610
then that's when we found the real stuff

508
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:22,200
was just so horrible we talked to a few

509
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:24,930
of the white house boys and it was more

510
00:22:31,970 --> 00:22:26,850
than just about spreading the word and

511
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:31,980
how terrible the place really is how old

512
00:22:36,110 --> 00:22:33,600
are these white house boys that even

513
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speaking to some are in their 30s

514
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because they were recent some were in

515
00:22:44,150 --> 00:22:41,310
their 50s who you know experienced it

516
00:22:46,340 --> 00:22:44,160
when they were very young and you know

517
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:46,350
we we've met a couple from all over and

518
00:22:51,020 --> 00:22:47,970
the if you go to the White House boys

519
00:22:53,140 --> 00:22:51,030
dot oh I think you can read some of

520
00:22:57,410 --> 00:22:53,150
their stories and they are terrifying

521
00:22:59,720 --> 00:22:57,420
wow that's that's pretty twisted stuff

522
00:23:07,720 --> 00:22:59,730
yeah I thought we'd start with the fun

523
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:19,400
where do you want me to head next I

524
00:23:24,980 --> 00:23:21,090
don't need a demeanor check but we got

525
00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:24,990
about a minute before the first break or

526
00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:26,820
you know the I'm sorry the bottom the

527
00:23:31,670 --> 00:23:29,460
hour break and so we might just give a

528
00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:31,680
preface to it before you get alright

529
00:23:35,570 --> 00:23:33,720
well we'll go from the north that's up

530
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,580
in the Panhandle how about we go as far

531
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:37,200
south as we can go we'll go down to Key

532
00:23:42,890 --> 00:23:39,930
West and we'll talk about and we'll talk

533
00:23:45,260 --> 00:23:42,900
about Robert the doll oh boy that thing

534
00:23:50,180 --> 00:23:45,270
is ugly well you know I've heard about

535
00:23:54,260 --> 00:23:50,190
that Robert tell the story about oh I'm

536
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:54,270
gonna talk about his curse yeah well you

537
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:55,650
know the Key West has always been an

538
00:24:00,020 --> 00:23:58,410
interesting place anyway and I guess

539
00:24:03,890 --> 00:24:00,030
they're gonna recover from the hurricane

540
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:03,900
issues but I you know as soon as we get

541
00:24:07,610 --> 00:24:05,250
back from the break we'll talk about

542
00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:07,620
Robert the doll and and once again the

543
00:24:12,860 --> 00:24:10,620
book is called eerie Florida there's a

544
00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:12,870
subtitle yeah chilling tales from the

545
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,470
panhandle to the keys Axl

546
00:24:20,550 --> 00:24:17,600
excellent well tell you what let's go to

547
00:24:22,660 --> 00:24:20,560
our break and we'll be right back

548
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:22,670
well it's great to be back with Mark

549
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:25,970
buncee and Heidi Hollis and golly that

550
00:24:33,910 --> 00:24:31,250
was a rough story well you know it is

551
00:24:36,490 --> 00:24:33,920
funny though but I mean I'm not funny

552
00:24:38,110 --> 00:24:36,500
but I mean it's odd that when you

553
00:24:42,820 --> 00:24:38,120
realize there's a lot of dark history in

554
00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:42,830
a lot of similar places it's just ya

555
00:24:49,900 --> 00:24:45,950
know there's there's a there's a sister

556
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:49,910
school for the girls that all has it's

557
00:25:00,790 --> 00:24:58,640
still open so that's one therein yeah

558
00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:00,800
it's a little further over the state but

559
00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:03,470
yeah that's dark rumors about that one

560
00:25:08,290 --> 00:25:05,510
too and they're still investigating that

561
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:08,300
one so equal opportunity is not always

562
00:25:16,540 --> 00:25:15,200
appreciated this old Robert the doll for

563
00:25:19,150 --> 00:25:16,550
those not familiar with it

564
00:25:22,180 --> 00:25:19,160
okay well Robert is a wonderful doll

565
00:25:25,030 --> 00:25:22,190
that is about whom about three foot tall

566
00:25:27,370 --> 00:25:25,040
and has a little sailor suit and he

567
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:27,380
carries a little wine with him in his

568
00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:32,480
arm and he is notorious as being alive

569
00:25:41,620 --> 00:25:36,380
he had a child that was his owner named

570
00:25:45,250 --> 00:25:41,630
Robert Eugene and Robert Eugene once he

571
00:25:46,570 --> 00:25:45,260
got the doll immediately stuff started

572
00:25:49,210 --> 00:25:46,580
having toys were break-in

573
00:25:51,310 --> 00:25:49,220
the help was getting scared away and

574
00:25:53,410 --> 00:25:51,320
wouldn't stay said they heard him

575
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:53,420
talking to the doll the doll answering

576
00:25:59,200 --> 00:25:57,050
back in a different voice so you know so

577
00:26:01,060 --> 00:25:59,210
rumors immediately start with this doll

578
00:26:02,980 --> 00:26:01,070
and they were and so the parents are

579
00:26:04,570 --> 00:26:02,990
going to him you know it's saying you

580
00:26:07,390 --> 00:26:04,580
know Robert you've got to stop this and

581
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:07,400
he's like no wasn't me it was Robert and

582
00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:09,410
they're like wait a minute you're Robert

583
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:11,350
he's like no I'm gonna go by Eugene

584
00:26:18,130 --> 00:26:13,850
because the doll wants to go by Robert

585
00:26:19,330 --> 00:26:18,140
so there would be any confusion that

586
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:19,340
type of thing today would get you locked

587
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:22,960
up but back then yeah there was okay and

588
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:25,970
you know years go by the stories about

589
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:28,010
Robert are numerous and way to numerous

590
00:26:31,810 --> 00:26:28,490
Allah

591
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:31,820
here he just you know he separates from

592
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:33,890
the artist and he's stuck in they leave

593
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,320
him in the house when they move away but

594
00:26:39,940 --> 00:26:38,000
then as the house is empty people still

595
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:39,950
see Robert in the windows of the Attic

596
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,690
and then down in the floor yo in the

597
00:26:47,290 --> 00:26:44,080
living room moving around

598
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:47,300
yeah then my new owner comes in and then

599
00:26:52,660 --> 00:26:50,090
there's more stories but eventually

600
00:26:54,910 --> 00:26:52,670
Robert finds his way to the fort east

601
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:54,920
Morello Museum which is where he is

602
00:27:03,990 --> 00:26:58,490
today and today art museum it that's in

603
00:27:06,850 --> 00:27:04,000
Key West and he very rarely leaves and

604
00:27:08,260 --> 00:27:06,860
occasionally he makes some travels but

605
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:08,270
he's always in his little case there

606
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:11,360
with his little lion and the thing about

607
00:27:16,530 --> 00:27:13,130
Robert is well besides being the

608
00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:16,540
inspiration for Chucky from the movies

609
00:27:21,549 --> 00:27:19,070
the big thing about Robert is you have

610
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:21,559
to be very nice to Robert you can't call

611
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:24,559
him ugly you can't be disrespectful and

612
00:27:29,290 --> 00:27:26,330
I have to ask his permission when you

613
00:27:32,140 --> 00:27:29,300
take his picture because well and if you

614
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:32,150
don't you will get the curse of Robert

615
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:33,710
and that was the thing that fascinated

616
00:27:39,010 --> 00:27:36,559
us the most was the curse because

617
00:27:41,710 --> 00:27:39,020
there's this wall behind Robert that is

618
00:27:45,070 --> 00:27:41,720
filled with handwritten letters of

619
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:45,080
people begging forgiveness for being

620
00:27:49,770 --> 00:27:47,090
disrespectful for Robert because and

621
00:27:53,169 --> 00:27:49,780
begging for him to take off their curse

622
00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:53,179
because he's done terrible things to

623
00:27:59,230 --> 00:27:56,270
them and my favorite just to give you a

624
00:28:02,440 --> 00:27:59,240
sample and this is kind of a fun one is

625
00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:02,450
this guy says dear Sir Robert I am so

626
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:04,780
sorry I made fun of your leather face

627
00:28:10,270 --> 00:28:08,110
leather is actually nice for a face

628
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:10,280
shouldn't have made fun of you

629
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,170
I also took your picture without

630
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:14,240
permission and send some other not nice

631
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:17,450
things we're sorry we get the message

632
00:28:26,380 --> 00:28:21,050
we've deleted the pictures please remove

633
00:28:30,180 --> 00:28:26,390
your curse please fix my eye my xbox and

634
00:28:31,810 --> 00:28:30,190
my marriage Wow

635
00:28:34,090 --> 00:28:31,820
you don't think it's a little

636
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:34,100
superstitious so people are fired upon I

637
00:28:40,780 --> 00:28:36,410
just love that that was the order he put

638
00:28:41,980 --> 00:28:40,790
him in the eye first so he can play his

639
00:28:44,110 --> 00:28:41,990
xbox the

640
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:44,120
and if you got the Xbox before the

641
00:28:49,690 --> 00:28:45,770
marriage I think you got other problems

642
00:28:51,580 --> 00:28:49,700
so yeah well there was a saying the guy

643
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:51,590
was on TV the other day and he's a

644
00:28:56,769 --> 00:28:53,510
character an evil character on one of

645
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:56,779
the TV shows and he said marriage is

646
00:29:06,220 --> 00:28:58,130
half of them don't work out the other

647
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:06,230
half everybody's miserable it's wild but

648
00:29:09,639 --> 00:29:07,730
that's that's the fun one

649
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,649
that was that was there like I said the

650
00:29:12,370 --> 00:29:11,120
whole wall is filled with those you can

651
00:29:14,350 --> 00:29:12,380
just spend a day reading those letters

652
00:29:16,330 --> 00:29:14,360
and some of them are just absolutely

653
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:16,340
hysterical and some of them are

654
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:18,169
downright spooky you're going oh my gosh

655
00:29:27,820 --> 00:29:25,539
oh no I'm just it just seems like you

656
00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:27,830
know things maybe coincidentally just

657
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:30,380
going wrong at the same similar timing

658
00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:33,770
and it's like they just attribute it to

659
00:29:37,899 --> 00:29:35,809
the curse but I mean a word of this

660
00:29:40,090 --> 00:29:37,909
curse where did this notion come from

661
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,100
that was you know part of the story is

662
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:42,320
that he's always been vindictive you

663
00:29:45,490 --> 00:29:43,970
know if people disrespect him he's been

664
00:29:48,299 --> 00:29:45,500
very vindictive those go back to the

665
00:29:51,250 --> 00:29:48,309
early legends of him and you know that

666
00:29:54,490 --> 00:29:51,260
Roberts you know the other Eugene's

667
00:29:56,139 --> 00:29:54,500
parents were not nice to him that was

668
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,149
you know and that was when bad stuff

669
00:29:59,980 --> 00:29:58,399
started happening to them so it goes all

670
00:30:02,110 --> 00:29:59,990
the way back to that it's it's pretty

671
00:30:03,820 --> 00:30:02,120
interesting stuff you know there's some

672
00:30:05,370 --> 00:30:03,830
odd stuff that's happened with Robert

673
00:30:07,930 --> 00:30:05,380
over the years we talked to one of the

674
00:30:10,510 --> 00:30:07,940
museum managers and he had a great story

675
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,520
about walking up one night and then

676
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:12,320
coming back the next day and Robert was

677
00:30:17,049 --> 00:30:14,690
out of his case and standing by the

678
00:30:21,340 --> 00:30:17,059
front door with sand on issues like he'd

679
00:30:23,529 --> 00:30:21,350
taken a walk on the beach so you know

680
00:30:29,620 --> 00:30:23,539
and he was dead serious I was like oh my

681
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,630
gosh has gone high-tech so he has a

682
00:30:33,070 --> 00:30:31,520
Twitter and an email that you can reach

683
00:30:36,610 --> 00:30:33,080
him if you need to you know beg his

684
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:36,620
forgiveness now so lucky and spread his

685
00:30:41,169 --> 00:30:38,570
curse around of course sure

686
00:30:42,460 --> 00:30:41,179
alright goodness so so what's one of the

687
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:42,470
craziest things that you've ever come

688
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:46,970
across as far as actual an investigation

689
00:30:53,049 --> 00:30:50,330
that you've personally done well I will

690
00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:53,059
say the weirdest place we went to I mean

691
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:55,580
do you know the obvious crazy or funnest

692
00:30:59,320 --> 00:30:55,910
place

693
00:31:02,440 --> 00:30:59,330
we went to was Cassadaga which is a town

694
00:31:05,290 --> 00:31:02,450
in the middle of Florida just just past

695
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:05,300
Sanford on the way to Daytona on the i-4

696
00:31:12,670 --> 00:31:09,410
corridor and it's the psychic center of

697
00:31:16,030 --> 00:31:12,680
the world supposedly it was founded by a

698
00:31:20,410 --> 00:31:16,040
guy who was guided there by his Indian

699
00:31:22,030 --> 00:31:20,420
spirit guide and he founded this town

700
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:22,040
it's a psychic commune and it is

701
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:24,080
sometimes called the psychic mecca of

702
00:31:27,970 --> 00:31:26,570
the world and they have more mediums and

703
00:31:30,730 --> 00:31:27,980
psychics and you can possibly imagine

704
00:31:32,890 --> 00:31:30,740
that this old beautiful 1920s hotel that

705
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:32,900
was built there there's a psychic

706
00:31:39,910 --> 00:31:37,610
community there and the thing we

707
00:31:44,050 --> 00:31:39,920
investigated there was a place called

708
00:31:46,540 --> 00:31:44,060
The Devil's chair and out of this weird

709
00:31:49,270 --> 00:31:46,550
town I mean it's a little goofy town I

710
00:31:55,870 --> 00:31:49,280
love that their shirt says where the

711
00:31:58,180 --> 00:31:55,880
Twilight Zone meets Mayberry rustic

712
00:32:01,210 --> 00:31:58,190
Florida town but you know with enough

713
00:32:02,350 --> 00:32:01,220
odd stuff but the thing is the legend

714
00:32:03,790 --> 00:32:02,360
wood that drew us there was this thing

715
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:03,800
called the devil's chair that was in the

716
00:32:08,290 --> 00:32:06,410
cemetery at Cassadaga well if you go to

717
00:32:09,850 --> 00:32:08,300
the Cassadaga website it doesn't say

718
00:32:13,230 --> 00:32:09,860
that they have a cemetery in fact says

719
00:32:19,210 --> 00:32:13,240
there is no cemetery in Cassadaga and

720
00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:19,220
you go well okay and you know you go

721
00:32:21,910 --> 00:32:20,990
into the you know into the town you ask

722
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:21,920
at the bookstore hey where's the

723
00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:23,510
cemetery no no cemetery here in

724
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:27,260
Cassadaga well there is a cemetery it's

725
00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:29,930
right next to Cassadaga called the

726
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:32,600
Cassadaga late kallen Cemetery which is

727
00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:34,250
you know hey there's a town there called

728
00:32:42,850 --> 00:32:38,840
Lake Helen but the cemetery there has

729
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:42,860
some mourning chairs and the mourning

730
00:32:51,490 --> 00:32:48,290
chairs there are you know 1800s brick

731
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:51,500
chairs that people put up to you know

732
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:53,090
visit their relatives and give you a

733
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:54,320
place to sit down especially in the

734
00:32:58,900 --> 00:32:56,210
Florida heat just a nice little place to

735
00:33:00,610 --> 00:32:58,910
relax and you know visit with your lost

736
00:33:03,220 --> 00:33:00,620
loved ones well of course most of these

737
00:33:06,490 --> 00:33:03,230
chairs all over New England and all the

738
00:33:08,380 --> 00:33:06,500
way down they all have legends a lot of

739
00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:08,390
them begin this one of course one of

740
00:33:13,390 --> 00:33:09,470
these chairs is

741
00:33:16,390 --> 00:33:13,400
built by the devil and if you go sit in

742
00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:16,400
this chair at midnight you will be

743
00:33:23,260 --> 00:33:18,350
visited by the devil and he will grant

744
00:33:25,659 --> 00:33:23,270
you a wish what does he look like well

745
00:33:27,310 --> 00:33:25,669
scrap in this devil they say he's a dark

746
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:27,320
shape that approaches you at midnight

747
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:30,530
and will you know grant you your wish

748
00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:33,770
well when you try to investigate this

749
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,500
place if you go there at midnight you

750
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:38,960
will be approached by a dark shape it's

751
00:33:46,510 --> 00:33:41,840
called the police because private

752
00:33:48,820 --> 00:33:46,520
property and there is no trespass so

753
00:33:54,430 --> 00:33:48,830
it's one of those you can't test the

754
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,440
legend too much there so but the so

755
00:33:59,529 --> 00:33:56,720
they've updated the legend too now if

756
00:34:01,419 --> 00:33:59,539
you leave a beer at the chair it will be

757
00:34:02,020 --> 00:34:01,429
drunk by morning and you'll still get

758
00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:02,030
your wish

759
00:34:06,850 --> 00:34:03,380
and I have a feeling you're leaving it

760
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:06,860
for the cops but because they do sit

761
00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:08,510
roll it pretty thoroughly now especially

762
00:34:14,290 --> 00:34:12,470
on full moons and you know holidays like

763
00:34:18,010 --> 00:34:14,300
Halloween and stuff like that they they

764
00:34:21,099 --> 00:34:18,020
patrol it pretty heavily but the

765
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:21,109
spookiest was a place we did up on

766
00:34:26,919 --> 00:34:24,879
amelie island which is way back up north

767
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:26,929
just north of Jacksonville right on the

768
00:34:33,399 --> 00:34:30,320
Georgia border and the Ferdinand

769
00:34:35,530 --> 00:34:33,409
Fernandina Beach has this great place

770
00:34:38,379 --> 00:34:35,540
called the Agins Creek Greenway which is

771
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:38,389
this beautiful nature trail and you can

772
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:40,490
go there and wander around see some

773
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:43,310
wetlands and some wonderful live oak

774
00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:46,609
forests but if you there's a part of it

775
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:48,830
that is no longer on the map there's

776
00:34:53,740 --> 00:34:51,169
part of it that's no longer part of the

777
00:34:55,869 --> 00:34:53,750
Agins Creek Greenway and it's right next

778
00:34:59,950 --> 00:34:55,879
to Fernandina Beach High School and it

779
00:35:04,329 --> 00:34:59,960
says when you walk up to it it says the

780
00:35:06,010 --> 00:35:04,339
used to be a student Nature Trail but

781
00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:06,020
the school has no records of them ever

782
00:35:12,010 --> 00:35:09,260
actually using it and the legend there

783
00:35:16,329 --> 00:35:12,020
is that it is the grave of a witch and

784
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:16,339
her pet demon Wicca demas holy Michael

785
00:35:23,290 --> 00:35:19,609
from a Lost Colony that predates Roanoke

786
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:23,300
and now there aren't any records of any

787
00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:25,910
colony there and but there are or some

788
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:27,470
you know it was on the shipping lanes

789
00:35:32,350 --> 00:35:30,320
between st. Augustine and you know some

790
00:35:34,510 --> 00:35:32,360
of the stuff up north so it's not

791
00:35:36,010 --> 00:35:34,520
without reason that there could have

792
00:35:38,890 --> 00:35:36,020
been some sort of town there well this

793
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:38,900
town was supposedly possessed by witches

794
00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:44,930
and a pilgrim boat landed there and then

795
00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:46,430
the witches all chased him out of town

796
00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:48,590
except for one guy who missed the boat

797
00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:51,110
but secretly he was a witch finder and

798
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:54,070
he knew the town was cursed so he

799
00:35:59,680 --> 00:35:57,650
freezed the town catches them all and it

800
00:36:02,650 --> 00:35:59,690
finally boils down to one little girl

801
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:02,660
who had the power of this control of

802
00:36:09,010 --> 00:36:05,690
this demon named Wicca Dimas and if you

803
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:09,020
walk down this path you find this own at

804
00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:10,490
the base of this oak tree where she was

805
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:12,830
supposedly hung and if you say the name

806
00:36:18,190 --> 00:36:15,890
Wicca demas enough the demon will rise

807
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:18,200
or the girl will give you a wish yeah

808
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:19,520
it's a lot of wishes in these legends

809
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:22,400
and apparently or you'll get the

810
00:36:26,590 --> 00:36:23,570
witchcraft powers

811
00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:26,600
well the odd thing was we went there on

812
00:36:32,170 --> 00:36:29,960
a nice you know January day in Florida

813
00:36:36,190 --> 00:36:32,180
which was pretty you know nice and sunny

814
00:36:38,770 --> 00:36:36,200
he was typical in Florida here and and

815
00:36:42,130 --> 00:36:38,780
of course we found the stone on this

816
00:36:44,770 --> 00:36:42,140
creepy path and we go all right let's do

817
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:44,780
this Wicca Dimas wig Adiemus wig Adiemus

818
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:47,690
and then suddenly the wind picked up

819
00:36:53,710 --> 00:36:50,930
like crazy and and and it was just

820
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,720
insane we couldn't get video audio on

821
00:36:58,420 --> 00:36:55,280
our video at the time because it was

822
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,430
just so windy and so that was probably

823
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,320
the creepiest thing that happened

824
00:37:08,140 --> 00:37:03,040
my goodness you'd like to tempt fate

825
00:37:10,810 --> 00:37:08,150
that was part of the job so it's called

826
00:37:14,170 --> 00:37:10,820
legend tripping for a reason have you

827
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:14,180
ever got yourself into trouble because

828
00:37:18,730 --> 00:37:16,570
you went about doing something like that

829
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:18,740
there you know there have been some

830
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:21,110
spooky times but I don't think anything

831
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:22,370
you know that we you know I would

832
00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:25,670
consider trouble there was there's

833
00:37:29,850 --> 00:37:27,590
there's a couple stories that some

834
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:29,860
people didn't want us looking into and

835
00:37:34,590 --> 00:37:32,960
and so we had some issues you know just

836
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:34,600
getting information on them

837
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,090
but and some people who were like no you

838
00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:38,800
know especially dodo sure was one of

839
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,180
them we a like said they were you know

840
00:37:44,070 --> 00:37:42,640
every door got closed even the security

841
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:44,080
guard was like I'd love to take you in

842
00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:45,250
and show you the stuff because I know

843
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:47,800
it's terrible but you know he's like III

844
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:50,530
answered to this lady up on high so you

845
00:37:56,610 --> 00:37:52,480
know can't do it I think that was more

846
00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:56,620
the spooky stuff Wow well you're lucky

847
00:38:03,300 --> 00:37:58,930
that you didn't bring anything home with

848
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:03,310
you because I've heard a lot of people

849
00:38:07,650 --> 00:38:04,690
who do something like what you did

850
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:07,660
calling upon that name and or something

851
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:10,330
weird kind of doing something up and you

852
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:12,310
know coconut essentially poking a stick

853
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:17,170
in the eye of a monster that's the it's

854
00:38:20,610 --> 00:38:19,030
the it's what they call legend tripping

855
00:38:23,070 --> 00:38:20,620
you know it's you know the modern day

856
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:23,080
you know Bloody Mary in the mirror you

857
00:38:28,290 --> 00:38:24,970
know you never know you got you got a

858
00:38:29,460 --> 00:38:28,300
try Oh have you tried that is that what

859
00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:29,470
you're trying to tell me you've done the

860
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:42,460
Bloody Mary for 20 years I figured if we

861
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,570
were gonna stir something up we

862
00:38:47,370 --> 00:38:45,520
destroyed it up here and we've had some

863
00:38:49,350 --> 00:38:47,380
unusual experiences yeah I've had some

864
00:38:50,430 --> 00:38:49,360
odd stuff in my life of course it's one

865
00:38:53,850 --> 00:38:50,440
of the reasons why I'm interested in

866
00:38:57,150 --> 00:38:53,860
this stuff sure a lot of this was just

867
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,160
fun stories that we discovered and some

868
00:39:02,220 --> 00:38:59,440
of these emails were just fantastic and

869
00:39:05,070 --> 00:39:02,230
great to look up I'll tell you about the

870
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:05,080
gnomes of Bach tower if we got time sure

871
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:06,640
we do we got oh we've got a lot of time

872
00:39:10,770 --> 00:39:09,280
for the top the hour break we do all

873
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:10,780
right well this is one of my favorite

874
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:12,760
stories from the book it's also one of

875
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:14,530
the funnest stories we had researching

876
00:39:19,350 --> 00:39:16,570
and it's one I don't think any other

877
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:19,360
book on Florida had because I got this

878
00:39:24,330 --> 00:39:21,490
email from this little old lady years

879
00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:24,340
ago who lived in Lake Wales Florida and

880
00:39:28,980 --> 00:39:26,140
now Lake Wales is right in the heart of

881
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:28,990
the state yeah kind of near where

882
00:39:34,890 --> 00:39:32,800
Legoland is now but they are famous for

883
00:39:38,970 --> 00:39:34,900
bock Tower which is this beautiful

884
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:38,980
singing tower that an old man named Bach

885
00:39:44,910 --> 00:39:42,370
built to be a nature preserve because he

886
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:44,920
loved the area so much it's the highest

887
00:39:48,450 --> 00:39:47,950
point in Florida a whopping 223 feet

888
00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:48,460
above sea

889
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:51,550
level so that's yeah it's bigger in

890
00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:54,730
Space Mountain it's crazy but yeah it's

891
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:57,730
you know it's this beautiful plane and

892
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:00,640
you can see the tower from miles near

893
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:02,950
the town is one of those famous gravity

894
00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:06,010
hills called spook hill where you park

895
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:08,020
your car put it in neutral and it rolls

896
00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:10,570
backwards uphill but they've got a lot

897
00:40:15,690 --> 00:40:14,230
of those don't they yeah it's one of

898
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,700
those great ones that you know it's got

899
00:40:20,070 --> 00:40:17,680
a great Indian legend behind it the town

900
00:40:21,690 --> 00:40:20,080
embraces it there's a there's an

901
00:40:25,770 --> 00:40:21,700
elementary school they're called spook

902
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:25,780
hill elementary that actually has Casper

903
00:40:29,490 --> 00:40:27,660
the Friendly Ghost as their mascot and

904
00:40:31,890 --> 00:40:29,500
one of my favorite things is while

905
00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:31,900
you're waiting to park your car and put

906
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:33,670
it in neutral you can see kids playing

907
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:34,990
on the field next to you and they're

908
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:37,810
chasing balls up hill which is we never

909
00:40:41,250 --> 00:40:39,910
got one it's amazing that sets so

910
00:40:44,070 --> 00:40:41,260
widespread they got one around Lake

911
00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:44,080
George New York something like that yeah

912
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,790
they're all over the place there it's

913
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:47,440
just it's an optical illusion but it

914
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:50,320
really is when you're there that's you

915
00:40:56,070 --> 00:40:52,690
know it's crazy but anyway Bach tower

916
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,080
wheat this little lady she had a farm

917
00:41:03,480 --> 00:40:58,000
there she was a little girl on her

918
00:41:06,980 --> 00:41:03,490
aunt's farm in 1949 to 1950 we're still

919
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:06,990
trying to narrow down the date exactly

920
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:09,280
so this is an old story and sadly she

921
00:41:14,670 --> 00:41:11,290
passed away so I couldn't get exact

922
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:14,680
dates on this but we did find a witness

923
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:17,920
but anyway the story goes she was on her

924
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:22,510
aunt's farm and she they were noticing

925
00:41:27,329 --> 00:41:24,700
the fruit was missing from their orange

926
00:41:29,609 --> 00:41:27,339
grove and they thought they might have

927
00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:29,619
fruit rats but usually fruit rats left

928
00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:32,950
it holes in the fruit and where they're

929
00:41:35,579 --> 00:41:34,150
just nibbling on it you'd still find

930
00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:35,589
some peels and stuff but these were just

931
00:41:38,220 --> 00:41:36,190
gone

932
00:41:40,109 --> 00:41:38,230
so they didn't know what was going on so

933
00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:40,119
they thought maybe they had people

934
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,380
stealing their fruit you know maybe

935
00:41:44,910 --> 00:41:43,359
neighbors or maybe something else but so

936
00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:44,920
they put up some traps they put up some

937
00:41:55,020 --> 00:41:50,470
ropes and the next day they catch a

938
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:55,030
little man about six inches tall naked

939
00:42:00,510 --> 00:41:56,890
covered in hair Wow

940
00:42:01,890 --> 00:42:00,520
so Adam in a foreign language that they

941
00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:01,900
didn't understand

942
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:03,700
and they didn't know what to do with

943
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:09,810
and the cops don't know what to do with

944
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:11,890
this guy they can't like arrest him feel

945
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,250
with handcuffs because he's so tiny and

946
00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:16,480
they know he's not a baby because he's

947
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:19,630
covered in hair they can't quite figure

948
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,240
out that you know now this is at this

949
00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:24,880
point Florida had become kind of a

950
00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:27,070
circus Mecca because Ringling was

951
00:42:31,890 --> 00:42:29,470
wintering down here and he was building

952
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:31,900
his mansion in Sarasota

953
00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:33,910
yeah exactly and then a bunch of other

954
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:35,590
circuses moved down here because hey

955
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:38,410
that's you know if he's down here let's

956
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:41,110
get the castoffs and so that's where the

957
00:42:47,010 --> 00:42:42,850
town of Gibsonton Florida which is near

958
00:42:49,290 --> 00:42:47,020
Tampa kind of became a mecca for you

959
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:49,300
know circus freaks and circus performer

960
00:42:55,350 --> 00:42:51,490
families and all that and it still got

961
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:55,360
that reputation to this day but anyway

962
00:42:58,140 --> 00:42:56,800
so this isn't too far from there so they

963
00:42:59,550 --> 00:42:58,150
you know they've kind of seen some stuff

964
00:43:01,350 --> 00:42:59,560
like this you know Tom Thumb Ripley's

965
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:01,360
museum was being built in st. Augustine

966
00:43:05,310 --> 00:43:04,240
so yeah they knew some of this so they

967
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:05,320
weren't you know wasn't out of the

968
00:43:09,330 --> 00:43:06,310
question this could be a circus

969
00:43:10,350 --> 00:43:09,340
performer or something so they didn't

970
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:10,360
know what to do with them but they were

971
00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:12,490
like worst case this guy's we got him

972
00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:13,870
for yeah best case we got him for

973
00:43:20,010 --> 00:43:17,230
trespassing so they let him loose

974
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:20,020
not knowing what else to do the family's

975
00:43:23,550 --> 00:43:21,280
like yeah this little guy is not

976
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:23,560
stealing all our fruit so they let him

977
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:24,130
loose

978
00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:28,330
a night later they catch him again and

979
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:30,670
this time they're like okay this is

980
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:33,670
crazy and the cops still not knowing

981
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:35,050
what did to come back out not knowing

982
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:36,370
what to do they put him in an orange

983
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:40,650
crate and take him to the police station

984
00:43:47,370 --> 00:43:44,220
that's when all hell breaks loose

985
00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:47,380
the house is pelted by rocks tree

986
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,470
branches are flying at the house you

987
00:43:55,290 --> 00:43:52,720
know what's going on they go outside and

988
00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:55,300
there's dozens of these little guys

989
00:44:00,900 --> 00:43:57,510
throwing rocks at their house and

990
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:00,910
screaming at them so they call the cops

991
00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:03,250
back the cops bring the little guy back

992
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:06,990
I guess this is a little while later and

993
00:44:11,250 --> 00:44:09,130
they couldn't they tried to get a

994
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:11,260
Portuguese translator they tried to get

995
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:13,810
a Spanish translator nothing was working

996
00:44:18,359 --> 00:44:15,490
so they they let the guy

997
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:18,369
again out of the orange crate and then

998
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:21,250
they all run off into the woods and cops

999
00:44:23,940 --> 00:44:22,450
are like yeah I guess you're just gonna

1000
00:44:28,650 --> 00:44:23,950
keep losing your fruit and then we can

1001
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:28,660
do about this this is weird so so you

1002
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:31,930
know it's when was this when did this

1003
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:32,609
happen

1004
00:44:37,319 --> 00:44:35,890
1949 to 1950 somewhere in there and you

1005
00:44:39,089 --> 00:44:37,329
met a witness that saw the little

1006
00:44:40,799 --> 00:44:39,099
stinkers here's the thing here's the

1007
00:44:41,490 --> 00:44:40,809
story yeah so this lady was telling us

1008
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:41,500
all about it

1009
00:44:45,569 --> 00:44:44,230
and like I said this was years ago when

1010
00:44:47,279 --> 00:44:45,579
I was to run in the haunt so we used to

1011
00:44:49,049 --> 00:44:47,289
put a gnome in the haunt every year and

1012
00:44:50,609 --> 00:44:49,059
that was my joke was that I had this

1013
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:50,619
story and that was my little private

1014
00:44:56,579 --> 00:44:54,970
joke that I knew but when we started

1015
00:44:59,039 --> 00:44:56,589
researching for the book we kind of had

1016
00:45:00,480 --> 00:44:59,049
this rule it was uh you know weekly

1017
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:00,490
world news used to say if you had one

1018
00:45:07,230 --> 00:45:04,720
one witness you ran it that was that was

1019
00:45:09,210 --> 00:45:07,240
gold and you know modern journalism you

1020
00:45:11,339 --> 00:45:09,220
want three or five you know credible

1021
00:45:14,789 --> 00:45:11,349
sources we've kind of split the

1022
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:14,799
difference as long as we had two well on

1023
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:16,930
a last-ditch effort because I really

1024
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:19,529
wanted to use this story somewhere I

1025
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:22,170
reached out on Facebook to a group of

1026
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:24,609
you know hey you grew up in Lake Wales

1027
00:45:29,099 --> 00:45:27,490
if on Facebook and I put in there does

1028
00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:29,109
anybody know anything about little weird

1029
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:33,430
people you know in the 50s and sure

1030
00:45:37,230 --> 00:45:35,529
enough I got an answer from a guy who

1031
00:45:39,660 --> 00:45:37,240
worked for the police department there

1032
00:45:41,099 --> 00:45:39,670
and he said he remembered the weird

1033
00:45:45,450 --> 00:45:41,109
little guy being brought in in the

1034
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:45,460
orange crate and so they're trying to

1035
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:47,680
find he's actually talking with the

1036
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:49,210
officers like whales trying to find the

1037
00:45:51,539 --> 00:45:50,410
records that we still haven't found

1038
00:45:53,279 --> 00:45:51,549
those yet because we don't know the

1039
00:45:56,250 --> 00:45:53,289
exact date but he was the one who

1040
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:56,260
narrowed it down to 1949 1950 and

1041
00:45:59,519 --> 00:45:57,520
records from that time were pretty

1042
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:59,529
spotty at best so it's it may be a while

1043
00:46:01,950 --> 00:46:00,640
before we find it but the Lake Wales

1044
00:46:06,269 --> 00:46:01,960
Police Department's actually looking for

1045
00:46:08,099 --> 00:46:06,279
him and but what's the best part about

1046
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:08,109
the story was is I guess what solved it

1047
00:46:14,460 --> 00:46:12,160
was at the end they talked to one of the

1048
00:46:17,609 --> 00:46:14,470
neighboring farmhands who told them that

1049
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:17,619
they had they were red caps and they had

1050
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,930
offended you know some some way offended

1051
00:46:25,230 --> 00:46:22,000
them and the only way to stop him was to

1052
00:46:28,049 --> 00:46:25,240
get a blessed Rock from Ireland so they

1053
00:46:29,570 --> 00:46:28,059
sent away to Ireland and got a rock

1054
00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:29,580
blessed by a pre

1055
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:33,430
to a holy stone to be put on to their

1056
00:46:37,590 --> 00:46:35,770
orchard and once it got there they never

1057
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:37,600
had problems again that was what the old

1058
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:39,930
late he told me so these were like

1059
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:43,890
transplanted leprechauns yeah yep and

1060
00:46:48,270 --> 00:46:45,970
we've heard some people say that they

1061
00:46:50,910 --> 00:46:48,280
might have been like Indonesian or some

1062
00:46:52,590 --> 00:46:50,920
other yo crazy legends like that that

1063
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:52,600
you know just some sort of relative of

1064
00:46:58,920 --> 00:46:56,530
leprechaun and you know who knows we

1065
00:47:00,360 --> 00:46:58,930
went to look for the rock we had the

1066
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:00,370
directions from the little old lady and

1067
00:47:05,010 --> 00:47:02,770
it is in the site of Bach Tower we did

1068
00:47:07,110 --> 00:47:05,020
find the orchard it's now a big private

1069
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,120
company orchard that you know makes

1070
00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:09,280
orange juice of all things and we got

1071
00:47:13,110 --> 00:47:11,350
permission to drive on the property the

1072
00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:13,120
problem is is the if you take the

1073
00:47:17,370 --> 00:47:16,150
directions to the rock we got there and

1074
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:17,380
it's this big clearing and I'm like oh

1075
00:47:22,530 --> 00:47:19,330
my god we're gonna find it and there are

1076
00:47:24,510 --> 00:47:22,540
all these white boxes there and we look

1077
00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:24,520
and that's where they keep their bees to

1078
00:47:28,740 --> 00:47:27,340
pollinate the oranges so we didn't get a

1079
00:47:32,310 --> 00:47:28,750
picture of the rock we kind of took off

1080
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:32,320
in a hurry yeah I guess so I guess my

1081
00:47:36,810 --> 00:47:34,030
wonderful illustrator Carrie Schultz

1082
00:47:38,190 --> 00:47:36,820
stepped in and drew a wonderful at one

1083
00:47:40,410 --> 00:47:38,200
of my favorite pictures in the book is

1084
00:47:42,780 --> 00:47:40,420
or her adaptation of the gnome in the

1085
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:42,790
orange crate well you know actually

1086
00:47:48,810 --> 00:47:45,310
upstate New York has a deal with their

1087
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:48,820
call them puck wedgies and they're like

1088
00:47:53,790 --> 00:47:51,210
little leprechaun e-types knowing about

1089
00:47:55,410 --> 00:47:53,800
yeah I guess that's the way you got to

1090
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:55,420
work out deals with these guys otherwise

1091
00:48:01,560 --> 00:47:58,450
they'll eat all your fruit I guess so

1092
00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:01,570
but it was a Wisconsin have anything

1093
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:05,830
like that Heidi or do you know don't

1094
00:48:11,610 --> 00:48:07,690
mind me I'm kind of I mean between

1095
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:11,620
things yeah a place called haunt evil

1096
00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:16,000
and it's it's kind of a legend of a

1097
00:48:22,620 --> 00:48:19,660
whole town a little town of little

1098
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,630
people and how they they come across

1099
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:24,640
them and everything I I'm not an expert

1100
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:26,890
on the legend so I couldn't don't quote

1101
00:48:30,980 --> 00:48:29,650
me but but yeah it was it's hip so if

1102
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:30,990
you look up Hockeyville

1103
00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:34,450
you'll find this legend of a town of

1104
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:40,830
yeah some of the Dutch explorers of the

1105
00:48:44,789 --> 00:48:43,089
state originally mentioned that they

1106
00:48:47,849 --> 00:48:44,799
a tribe of little people and that they

1107
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:47,859
massacred them all because they were you

1108
00:48:52,140 --> 00:48:50,440
know tried to hurt them and you know

1109
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:52,150
there's some HUD you know these stories

1110
00:48:59,009 --> 00:48:53,529
go back a long way

1111
00:49:02,219 --> 00:48:59,019
wow that's crazy we're coming up to the

1112
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:02,229
top of the hour break and but mark you

1113
00:49:06,059 --> 00:49:03,849
want to mention once again your book and

1114
00:49:08,729 --> 00:49:06,069
any websites or any anything else

1115
00:49:12,269 --> 00:49:08,739
relative to it before we carry Florida

1116
00:49:13,859 --> 00:49:12,279
calm that's if you hit that that'll you

1117
00:49:15,390 --> 00:49:13,869
know you can see some of our latest

1118
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:15,400
stories where we're gonna be four author

1119
00:49:19,529 --> 00:49:17,170
signings and like I said Kerry Schultz

1120
00:49:21,299 --> 00:49:19,539
comes with me the illustrator and she

1121
00:49:23,130 --> 00:49:21,309
draws in the books and you get to know

1122
00:49:25,259 --> 00:49:23,140
yourself a nice little print if you

1123
00:49:26,999 --> 00:49:25,269
order from the website we can get to

1124
00:49:28,709 --> 00:49:27,009
that way otherwise you know we can get

1125
00:49:32,130 --> 00:49:28,719
you can get a regular copy through your

1126
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:32,140
usual channels okay well let's go to our

1127
00:49:35,579 --> 00:49:33,849
our top of the hour break and we'll be

1128
00:49:41,009 --> 00:49:35,589
right back maybe taking some ghost

1129
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:41,019
stories or something months let's see

1130
00:49:46,789 --> 00:49:44,170
and Heidi is having a little Bermuda

1131
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:46,799
Triangle issues up in the Chicago but

1132
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:50,170
that's our racial reach service but Mark

1133
00:49:53,940 --> 00:49:51,910
I was just gonna say during the break

1134
00:49:56,099 --> 00:49:53,950
that even of course this isn't way back

1135
00:49:57,180 --> 00:49:56,109
in you know too far in yesterday year

1136
00:50:01,229 --> 00:49:57,190
but when I used to drive up from

1137
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,239
Jacksonville back to Atlanta that area

1138
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:03,599
down there is pretty exotic too because

1139
00:50:09,029 --> 00:50:06,910
all Mark you go for miles and there'd be

1140
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,039
not even a stop sign or I mean not even

1141
00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:11,680
a streetlight and it I was I was just

1142
00:50:16,709 --> 00:50:14,680
think hey if you were a you know a

1143
00:50:18,569 --> 00:50:16,719
modern-day pirate or a smuggler or

1144
00:50:20,489 --> 00:50:18,579
something that would be the perfect

1145
00:50:22,799 --> 00:50:20,499
place Blackbeard the pirate used to hang

1146
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:22,809
out there I mean it'd be but perfect to

1147
00:50:28,589 --> 00:50:24,609
evade the Coast Guard and stuff talking

1148
00:50:31,049 --> 00:50:28,599
miles and miles of nothing and Florida

1149
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:31,059
there's some great stories in that area

1150
00:50:38,099 --> 00:50:35,729
of you know the deltona lights which are

1151
00:50:40,859 --> 00:50:38,109
ghostly lights that follow you on the

1152
00:50:42,839 --> 00:50:40,869
interstate and then they it looks like a

1153
00:50:45,390 --> 00:50:42,849
car coming at you and then it goes over

1154
00:50:47,150 --> 00:50:45,400
your car and then they split up and turn

1155
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:47,160
around and come right behind you and

1156
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:50,319
really a creepy stuff and then there's

1157
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:54,609
also an area kind of near Daytona on i-4

1158
00:50:58,350 --> 00:50:56,110
they call it the dead zone

1159
00:51:00,930 --> 00:50:58,360
because cellphones sometimes stop

1160
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:00,940
working you know watches stopped working

1161
00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:04,810
people lose time there and it's noted

1162
00:51:12,050 --> 00:51:08,260
because the cops find more people asleep

1163
00:51:14,340 --> 00:51:12,060
on the side of the road there than we

1164
00:51:15,210 --> 00:51:14,350
just don't like their cars pulled over

1165
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:15,220
they're asleep and they don't even

1166
00:51:21,540 --> 00:51:16,980
remember pulling over and falling asleep

1167
00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:21,550
yes is our the area the truck drivers

1168
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:23,470
talk about it to when they're on their

1169
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:25,930
CB s that it's the you know it's the

1170
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:27,130
dead zone all the ones that still you

1171
00:51:32,190 --> 00:51:29,650
see B's most of them use cell phones and

1172
00:51:34,620 --> 00:51:32,200
that's that's and that side of where I

1173
00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:34,630
for north of Daytona Beatrice yeah north

1174
00:51:38,220 --> 00:51:36,910
of Daytona I was just about to hit i-95

1175
00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:38,230
heading up towards st. Augustine

1176
00:51:46,820 --> 00:51:43,780
Jacksonville so home of the st. Johns

1177
00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:46,830
River monster pinky the sea monster I

1178
00:51:51,780 --> 00:51:50,140
live in Jacksonville I'm for a very

1179
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:51,790
short time after I got out of the army I

1180
00:51:56,130 --> 00:51:52,930
lived there for a little while so I

1181
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:56,140
moved up to Atlanta but I didn't know

1182
00:52:00,810 --> 00:51:58,450
they had a monster down yeah and the st.

1183
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:00,820
Johns River pinky the sea monster is

1184
00:52:07,590 --> 00:52:02,650
famous in the 70s he was kind of

1185
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:07,600
Florida's Nessie he was there's lots of

1186
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:09,370
sightings of monsters sea monsters up

1187
00:52:13,770 --> 00:52:12,130
there they have yeah most the lakes up

1188
00:52:16,130 --> 00:52:13,780
there have some sort of creature

1189
00:52:18,750 --> 00:52:16,140
sighting there's the lake aster monster

1190
00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:18,760
the creature from Lake Helen blazes

1191
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:20,830
which is one of my favorite lakes names

1192
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:26,530
ever but pinky was notorious because he

1193
00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:30,130
was right off of i-95 and this family

1194
00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:33,160
were was on a boat out fishing near Lake

1195
00:52:40,860 --> 00:52:37,630
Monroe and they saw this creature pop up

1196
00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:40,870
with a giant snail like head with big

1197
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:45,340
horns or eyestalks and they were you

1198
00:52:50,130 --> 00:52:47,290
know and he was pink the color of boiled

1199
00:52:52,830 --> 00:52:50,140
shrimp but he had a big shell on his

1200
00:52:55,050 --> 00:52:52,840
back like a giant turtle and then when

1201
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:55,060
he dived back under the water they saw

1202
00:53:01,950 --> 00:52:58,090
the big tail crashing about you know 20

1203
00:53:03,570 --> 00:53:01,960
feet away so a giant monster and that

1204
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:03,580
made the press and that was big news

1205
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:05,170
back in the day that was in the height

1206
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:14,010
they are what were you this would have

1207
00:53:19,770 --> 00:53:17,200
been late 70s oh yeah yeah Wow

1208
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,780
and yes so that was no that was a crazy

1209
00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:22,000
story up in that area but you're you're

1210
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:23,980
pirates and you were kind of mentioning

1211
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:26,040
ghosts before the break there's a great

1212
00:53:32,670 --> 00:53:28,810
couple pirate ghosts and st. Augustine

1213
00:53:36,450 --> 00:53:32,680
st. Augustine the oldest city in America

1214
00:53:40,290 --> 00:53:36,460
oh it's beauty dates Plymouth Rock by

1215
00:53:42,570 --> 00:53:40,300
sixty years and I say the oldest

1216
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:42,580
continually continuously inhabited City

1217
00:53:46,650 --> 00:53:45,310
because there's some other places that

1218
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:46,660
might have been founded quicker but

1219
00:53:51,870 --> 00:53:49,210
didn't last but st. Augustine's got this

1220
00:53:54,420 --> 00:53:51,880
beautiful fort the Castillo de San Marco

1221
00:53:55,830 --> 00:53:54,430
which is made out of Coquina and it's

1222
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:55,840
still there survives every hurricane

1223
00:54:01,470 --> 00:53:57,490
survives every storm because the stuff

1224
00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:01,480
is just so soft and malleable and it's

1225
00:54:06,270 --> 00:54:03,900
survived numerous pirate attacks and

1226
00:54:08,070 --> 00:54:06,280
it's kind of cool because when you go

1227
00:54:10,050 --> 00:54:08,080
there you see what it was is basically

1228
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:10,060
they would fire cannons into this stuff

1229
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:12,910
and this stuff is just coral and mud and

1230
00:54:18,750 --> 00:54:15,310
oh the cannonballs would just sink into

1231
00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:18,760
it and then at night the soldiers would

1232
00:54:22,620 --> 00:54:21,160
go outside dig out the cannonballs and

1233
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:22,630
then take them upstairs and fire on back

1234
00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:29,710
at the pirate ships yeah it is pretty if

1235
00:54:34,770 --> 00:54:31,030
you'd ever seen it Heidi it really is

1236
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:34,780
the st. Augustine fort not seen it no

1237
00:54:43,260 --> 00:54:36,850
more ghosts than you can possibly

1238
00:54:47,250 --> 00:54:43,270
imagine in that city of course Wow 1,500

1239
00:54:52,530 --> 00:54:47,260
odd 1,500 year or something yeah 1560 I

1240
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:52,540
want to say 1565 and they yeah and it's

1241
00:54:57,570 --> 00:54:54,880
you know there's great places to visit

1242
00:54:58,980 --> 00:54:57,580
Wolf's Museum of oddities is a great

1243
00:55:03,360 --> 00:54:58,990
place to visit there they have a pirate

1244
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:03,370
museum there they have Ripley's is there

1245
00:55:07,350 --> 00:55:06,010
in this old hotel and they have Ghost

1246
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:07,360
Tours in there and they even do

1247
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:10,480
investigations there all the time the

1248
00:55:15,330 --> 00:55:13,510
city gates outside are notorious for a

1249
00:55:18,450 --> 00:55:15,340
haunting and this was one that was one

1250
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:18,460
of my first real experiences was at that

1251
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:22,130
gate there was a wee

1252
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:24,710
one of our first-ever tours of st.

1253
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:26,450
Augustine this was years ago when my

1254
00:55:30,969 --> 00:55:29,450
children were kind of small to put it in

1255
00:55:35,289 --> 00:55:30,979
perspective they're both in college now

1256
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:35,299
but my youngest was about 5 years old

1257
00:55:40,450 --> 00:55:36,559
and her and I we were on this walking

1258
00:55:41,979 --> 00:55:40,460
tour with my then wife and oldest child

1259
00:55:44,019 --> 00:55:41,989
and they were staying with the tour and

1260
00:55:46,839 --> 00:55:44,029
we got a little tired so we walked ahead

1261
00:55:49,029 --> 00:55:46,849
and sat down in front of the city gates

1262
00:55:50,380 --> 00:55:49,039
which is this you know the old gates to

1263
00:55:53,319 --> 00:55:50,390
the old city when it was a walled city

1264
00:55:54,670 --> 00:55:53,329
right across from the fort and the big

1265
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:54,680
cemetery over there was called the

1266
00:55:58,599 --> 00:55:56,720
Huguenots Cemetery and that's where the

1267
00:56:00,609 --> 00:55:58,609
ghosts were was talking about stuff and

1268
00:56:01,779 --> 00:56:00,619
we were sitting by the gates my daughter

1269
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:01,789
was just running around and then she

1270
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:03,650
comes over to me and says dad dad this

1271
00:56:09,819 --> 00:56:07,119
little girl told me to look out for Jack

1272
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:09,829
that Jack would get me if I stayed too

1273
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:13,729
close to the town and I'm like okay yeah

1274
00:56:21,370 --> 00:56:17,839
she was like enough for me to get up and

1275
00:56:23,469 --> 00:56:21,380
go yeah so this is some sort of friend

1276
00:56:26,380 --> 00:56:23,479
she's you know that I just haven't seen

1277
00:56:27,849 --> 00:56:26,390
or you know just well something well

1278
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:27,859
then the you know the ghost tour catches

1279
00:56:31,029 --> 00:56:29,450
up to us and then you know he starts

1280
00:56:32,469 --> 00:56:31,039
talking about the city gates and he's

1281
00:56:35,650 --> 00:56:32,479
saying you know when the town first

1282
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:35,660
joined you know back into America when

1283
00:56:39,930 --> 00:56:37,670
Florida finally came back to being it

1284
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:39,940
was actually handed off by the Spanish

1285
00:56:47,979 --> 00:56:44,329
to the US that shortly thereafter there

1286
00:56:50,859 --> 00:56:47,989
was a big yellow fever outbreak and so

1287
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,869
they banned all burials in the city and

1288
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,160
they started burying people out in that

1289
00:56:56,890 --> 00:56:54,160
cemetery that they just walked past and

1290
00:56:58,900 --> 00:56:56,900
they said that the first one one of the

1291
00:57:02,739 --> 00:56:58,910
first ones to go was the gatekeeper here

1292
00:57:05,019 --> 00:57:02,749
and the gatekeeper had a daughter who

1293
00:57:07,229 --> 00:57:05,029
hung out with him and then after he died

1294
00:57:10,749 --> 00:57:07,239
the little daughter stayed around and

1295
00:57:15,009 --> 00:57:10,759
warned people to beware of yellow fever

1296
00:57:18,459 --> 00:57:15,019
and then she died and but her ghost was

1297
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:18,469
still seen to this day and I turned to

1298
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:23,650
the guide said would they have called

1299
00:57:33,219 --> 00:57:27,680
the fever jack he said oh yeah yeah they

1300
00:57:35,410 --> 00:57:33,229
used to call it yellow jack oh I looked

1301
00:57:36,010 --> 00:57:35,420
down on my daughter and I this day I

1302
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,020
still get

1303
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:38,480
Momsen she's that's her first childhood

1304
00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:40,250
memory is the one thing she remembers is

1305
00:57:46,210 --> 00:57:42,520
talking to that little girl at the gate

1306
00:57:49,150 --> 00:57:46,220
wow that is super scary now you'd

1307
00:57:50,830 --> 00:57:49,160
mentioned that you had personal

1308
00:57:52,270 --> 00:57:50,840
experiences living in a haunted house

1309
00:57:54,970 --> 00:57:52,280
what's some of the creepy stuff that

1310
00:57:57,460 --> 00:57:54,980
you've dealt with well like I said we

1311
00:57:58,810 --> 00:57:57,470
were in the haunted house with zo as an

1312
00:58:00,910 --> 00:57:58,820
attraction it was you know people

1313
00:58:03,370 --> 00:58:00,920
jumping out and scaring people for you

1314
00:58:07,090 --> 00:58:03,380
know for fun but you know we've had some

1315
00:58:09,850 --> 00:58:07,100
odd stuff happen like we'll hear you

1316
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:09,860
know people talking in other rooms and

1317
00:58:17,050 --> 00:58:15,050
nobody home for a while there you know

1318
00:58:20,650 --> 00:58:17,060
years ago going through a custody battle

1319
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:20,660
with my ex for my kids I would hear the

1320
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:23,450
kids in the other room and knowing that

1321
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:24,890
they're gone you know there are in

1322
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:28,160
another city yeah and they'd like to

1323
00:58:33,250 --> 00:58:30,890
marry whatever it was it like to mimic

1324
00:58:34,990 --> 00:58:33,260
things in it you know we still get the

1325
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:35,000
occasional you'll get that cold

1326
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:37,250
sensation here it is in Florida 96

1327
00:58:46,170 --> 00:58:40,250
degrees on this wonderful you know fall

1328
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:46,180
day chill and it's like what is that so

1329
00:58:51,010 --> 00:58:48,770
there's definitely yeah I don't want to

1330
00:58:54,010 --> 00:58:51,020
say well you know is it a ghost isn't

1331
00:58:55,810 --> 00:58:54,020
this I I am of the opinion that it's

1332
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:55,820
just something we don't understand yet I

1333
00:58:59,350 --> 00:58:57,410
like to call it

1334
00:59:03,010 --> 00:58:59,360
preternatural just something we don't

1335
00:59:04,540 --> 00:59:03,020
quite understand just had an experience

1336
00:59:06,910 --> 00:59:04,550
like that over the weekend believe it or

1337
00:59:10,420 --> 00:59:06,920
not it was doing staying on my sister's

1338
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:10,430
and she here's a baby in her basement

1339
00:59:14,860 --> 00:59:13,010
and she's like listen listen she like

1340
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:14,870
you hear that and she's like that's the

1341
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:16,910
baby sound and I'm like I thought you

1342
00:59:23,620 --> 00:59:19,250
got rid of that because she dead before

1343
00:59:26,890 --> 00:59:23,630
she said and then we heard her son say

1344
00:59:29,830 --> 00:59:26,900
mom and she goes and usually after the

1345
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,840
crying stops it wakes him up and then

1346
00:59:34,930 --> 00:59:31,280
she walks down right I go see what he

1347
00:59:36,850 --> 00:59:34,940
wanted he was sound asleep no yeah so it

1348
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,860
mimicked him just like she said you

1349
00:59:43,930 --> 00:59:38,480
heard I'm clear as day didn't you I'm

1350
00:59:46,090 --> 00:59:43,940
like yes I did so it's mimicking and I

1351
00:59:49,870 --> 00:59:46,100
told her before it was demonic I mean

1352
00:59:53,110 --> 00:59:49,880
this thing the way that it cries yeah

1353
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:53,120
and now mimicking look not cool one

1354
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:55,730
night at the haunt we had a paranormal

1355
01:00:02,320 --> 00:59:58,480
investigation group come through and

1356
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:02,330
there were spirits of st. Petersburg the

1357
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:05,530
same day Paranormal Society and uh their

1358
01:00:12,250 --> 01:00:09,170
professor brandy stark is the leader of

1359
01:00:13,810 --> 01:00:12,260
them but this was in the early days of

1360
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:13,820
them and they came through and they had

1361
01:00:20,350 --> 01:00:16,910
their medium come up to us and she's

1362
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:20,360
like do you guys know you have a fear

1363
01:00:23,650 --> 01:00:22,370
monger that you've created with this

1364
01:00:25,570 --> 01:00:23,660
haunted house and we're like what's that

1365
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:25,580
no like it's an entity that feeds on

1366
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:28,730
fear and it lives in your backyard now

1367
01:00:38,050 --> 01:00:31,850
and we're like I guess we're keeping it

1368
01:00:41,620 --> 01:00:38,060
well-fed that was like manda do we can

1369
01:00:43,630 --> 01:00:41,630
we charge extra for that theme parks

1370
01:00:46,540 --> 01:00:43,640
must be loaded with demons I'd like to

1371
01:00:48,070 --> 01:00:46,550
feed off fear I guess yes or nights and

1372
01:00:51,490 --> 01:00:48,080
howl-o-scream were pretty popular so

1373
01:00:57,310 --> 01:00:51,500
yeah well I'm glad I'm a Catholic that I

1374
01:00:59,980 --> 01:00:57,320
have to worry about it was you'd like to

1375
01:01:01,980 --> 01:00:59,990
think so well the part about st.

1376
01:01:05,610 --> 01:01:01,990
Augustine was their Catholic Bishops

1377
01:01:08,860 --> 01:01:05,620
Agustin burrow do you know his story no

1378
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:08,870
okay he was basically the head of the

1379
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:10,970
Catholic Church in the south right

1380
01:01:15,610 --> 01:01:13,730
around the time of it becoming part of

1381
01:01:18,730 --> 01:01:15,620
the u.s. all the way up through the

1382
01:01:23,790 --> 01:01:18,740
Civil War and he was well lobbyist from

1383
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:23,800
Lapua France and he can find it several

1384
01:01:30,310 --> 01:01:26,450
convents and Sisterhood's and you know

1385
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:30,320
and other wonderful things and he was

1386
01:01:35,950 --> 01:01:33,050
actually one of the first to transcribe

1387
01:01:38,980 --> 01:01:35,960
Bibles and some of the Lost Indian

1388
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:38,990
languages to try to convert so that he's

1389
01:01:41,850 --> 01:01:40,250
one of the reasons we actually still

1390
01:01:44,620 --> 01:01:41,860
have a couple of the Indian languages

1391
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,630
even though most those Indians like the

1392
01:01:49,660 --> 01:01:46,880
menorquin xand the Timucua ones and

1393
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:49,670
passed away and have no descendants left

1394
01:01:53,350 --> 01:01:51,410
we actually have some of their languages

1395
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:53,360
because Augustine burro helped translate

1396
01:01:59,170 --> 01:01:57,050
their Bibles well and then you know just

1397
01:02:02,560 --> 01:01:59,180
and he also was one of the first to like

1398
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:02,570
try to let the freed slaves be part of

1399
01:02:06,450 --> 01:02:03,760
the Catholic Church and

1400
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:06,460
embrace them and so he was well loved

1401
01:02:15,170 --> 01:02:13,210
and he dies in 1876 and it's June in

1402
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:15,180
Florida and they say look this guy

1403
01:02:19,620 --> 01:02:17,050
everybody wants to come visit this guy

1404
01:02:20,940 --> 01:02:19,630
all the way from France and the Pope may

1405
01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:20,950
come visit this guy because he was so

1406
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:23,230
loved and basically if you saw a church

1407
01:02:28,890 --> 01:02:26,110
anywhere in the south from Georgia all

1408
01:02:30,540 --> 01:02:28,900
the way down to Florida even South

1409
01:02:32,130 --> 01:02:30,550
Carolina North Carolina if it was built

1410
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:32,140
in the 1800's agustin borough was

1411
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:33,370
probably the one who got the money for

1412
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:36,910
it so so he's a you know big name so

1413
01:02:40,590 --> 01:02:38,050
they really wanted to have this

1414
01:02:41,850 --> 01:02:40,600
beautiful ceremony for him and like you

1415
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:41,860
got to keep them in an open casket

1416
01:02:46,020 --> 01:02:43,330
everybody wants to see him and there's

1417
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:46,030
like but this is the early date is of

1418
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:48,570
embalming and the church doesn't like it

1419
01:02:57,180 --> 01:02:53,910
so they put them on ice and inhale and

1420
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:57,190
to you to try to I think what I mark

1421
01:02:59,820 --> 01:02:57,760
what's this

1422
01:03:01,140 --> 01:02:59,830
we're just Americans we're coming up to

1423
01:03:03,110 --> 01:03:01,150
where lasso pray sorry this is

1424
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:03,120
fascinating story I'm really

1425
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:05,170
tremendously intrigued but we're going

1426
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:06,850
to our last break and guys we'll be

1427
01:03:12,510 --> 01:03:08,530
right back with mark and height will be

1428
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:12,520
right well it's gonna be back on with

1429
01:03:19,850 --> 01:03:15,850
Mark Perry Florida Heidi with nutty

1430
01:03:22,380 --> 01:03:19,860
Wisconsin or whatever they are out there

1431
01:03:23,940 --> 01:03:22,390
Bob's really sauron out I mean a

1432
01:03:26,430 --> 01:03:23,950
separate topic I don't want to interrupt

1433
01:03:28,620 --> 01:03:26,440
mark story but I was really sorry about

1434
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:28,630
your boy Rogers going down that really I

1435
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:34,570
really hurt the country there's a sucker

1436
01:03:38,610 --> 01:03:37,930
punch if I ever saw one I said I love

1437
01:03:43,380 --> 01:03:38,620
the commercial

1438
01:03:47,850 --> 01:03:43,390
dog and all that on the border Chevy or

1439
01:03:51,390 --> 01:03:47,860
whatever he's a mark story what happened

1440
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:51,400
mark yeah well like we said you know so

1441
01:03:56,490 --> 01:03:55,090
Augustine passed embalming is still kind

1442
01:03:58,620 --> 01:03:56,500
of frowned on by the church at this

1443
01:04:01,950 --> 01:03:58,630
point but they needed to keep the body

1444
01:04:05,550 --> 01:04:01,960
any way they could so this is June this

1445
01:04:08,730 --> 01:04:05,560
is Florida you know 90 some odd degrees

1446
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:08,740
and 110 percent humidity it's just the

1447
01:04:14,250 --> 01:04:12,130
mess so they put him on ice and straw

1448
01:04:17,019 --> 01:04:14,260
you know packing him like meat basically

1449
01:04:18,909 --> 01:04:17,029
and they dug a hole in the ground to put

1450
01:04:20,499 --> 01:04:18,919
and just to kind of keep him out in the

1451
01:04:23,049 --> 01:04:20,509
shade and all that yeah it's not working

1452
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:23,059
so somebody gets a brilliant idea of

1453
01:04:27,969 --> 01:04:25,130
well let's put them in a metal airtight

1454
01:04:29,469 --> 01:04:27,979
coffin that'll help but well still keep

1455
01:04:30,759 --> 01:04:29,479
them on ice we'll still keep them in the

1456
01:04:33,189 --> 01:04:30,769
straw but we'll keep them in this metal

1457
01:04:34,479 --> 01:04:33,199
coffin well somebody else says well but

1458
01:04:37,809 --> 01:04:34,489
they still got to see him so we got to

1459
01:04:39,849 --> 01:04:37,819
put a glass lid on it so that's what

1460
01:04:43,209 --> 01:04:39,859
they do they put a glass lid on an

1461
01:04:47,140 --> 01:04:43,219
airtight metal coffin with ice and hey

1462
01:04:50,439 --> 01:04:47,150
as he's decomposing in June in the heat

1463
01:04:54,189 --> 01:04:50,449
and the gases are building up inside the

1464
01:04:56,579 --> 01:04:54,199
body as he's doing his thing and what

1465
01:05:00,339 --> 01:04:56,589
they've built is a pressure cooker Oh

1466
01:05:00,819 --> 01:05:00,349
golly and guess what happens and the

1467
01:05:02,439 --> 01:05:00,829
story

1468
01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:02,449
yeah the legends a little blurry on

1469
01:05:06,419 --> 01:05:04,400
whether it happened at the end of the

1470
01:05:10,509 --> 01:05:06,429
funeral or just after

1471
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:10,519
but Agustin burrow is now known as the

1472
01:05:16,479 --> 01:05:12,890
exploding bishop of st. Augustine as he

1473
01:05:20,890 --> 01:05:16,489
exploded out of the glass and all over

1474
01:05:23,979 --> 01:05:20,900
the place this beautiful Basilica there

1475
01:05:26,019 --> 01:05:23,989
and st. Augustine and there are still

1476
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:26,029
chips in the wall that they will point

1477
01:05:33,429 --> 01:05:29,599
out was probably took a couple chunks

1478
01:05:36,219 --> 01:05:33,439
out nasty you know I was stunned when I

1479
01:05:38,919 --> 01:05:36,229
wanted to say Peters well the Vatican

1480
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:38,929
and solve the Pope's in glass cases I

1481
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:41,839
could not I was blown away blown away

1482
01:05:48,819 --> 01:05:46,729
and I'm like are those real real just uh

1483
01:05:52,569 --> 01:05:48,829
yeah shocking for his non-catholics but

1484
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:52,579
anyways so they had some volunteers

1485
01:05:57,459 --> 01:05:55,039
clean him up to put him back in a solid

1486
01:06:00,370 --> 01:05:57,469
metal casket and they put a metal lid on

1487
01:06:02,229 --> 01:06:00,380
it buried him in the toll amato cemetery

1488
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:02,239
which is the Catholic cemetery inside

1489
01:06:06,999 --> 01:06:05,569
st. Augustine and he's there when you

1490
01:06:08,589 --> 01:06:07,009
look down the path and told him ah no

1491
01:06:11,049 --> 01:06:08,599
you see this big bust and that's the

1492
01:06:12,519 --> 01:06:11,059
bust of August and for anybody wants to

1493
01:06:20,489 --> 01:06:12,529
see him now you can see his bust because

1494
01:06:26,529 --> 01:06:23,529
somebody put there she blows in the chat

1495
01:06:28,599 --> 01:06:26,539
room there's a question for you I've

1496
01:06:30,669 --> 01:06:28,609
lost it but it said oh here it is from

1497
01:06:30,940 --> 01:06:30,679
Preston what's the craziest story you've

1498
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:30,950
been

1499
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:33,609
hold but too afraid to talk about oh

1500
01:06:40,930 --> 01:06:37,490
gosh well one of the stories we talked

1501
01:06:43,540 --> 01:06:40,940
about we were a little worried about

1502
01:06:45,490 --> 01:06:43,550
talking about and it was called it's

1503
01:06:49,390 --> 01:06:45,500
actually here in st. Pete and that's

1504
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:49,400
mini lightning or mini lights and it's a

1505
01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:53,810
story told on the south side about you

1506
01:06:58,300 --> 01:06:55,849
if you stay out late many lights will

1507
01:07:00,579 --> 01:06:58,310
get you and it's you know it's usually

1508
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:00,589
African American kids who are terrified

1509
01:07:06,790 --> 01:07:04,310
of it and we couldn't figure out why the

1510
01:07:08,589 --> 01:07:06,800
legends were all over the place one was

1511
01:07:12,730 --> 01:07:08,599
about a lady who ran a boarding house

1512
01:07:17,290 --> 01:07:12,740
for circus performers and that her name

1513
01:07:19,210 --> 01:07:17,300
was many lights and then which is an odd

1514
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:19,220
name and then you know people would go

1515
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:20,930
out and shout at her because they didn't

1516
01:07:24,970 --> 01:07:23,210
like that she kept circus people but

1517
01:07:27,210 --> 01:07:24,980
then these dwarfs would come out and

1518
01:07:30,609 --> 01:07:27,220
chase the people away with baseball bats

1519
01:07:32,260 --> 01:07:30,619
good man and so you know but then we

1520
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:32,270
start researching into that and we find

1521
01:07:35,069 --> 01:07:33,530
out oh there was a lady who ran a

1522
01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:35,079
boarding house but she was a Mennonite

1523
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:37,030
so that might be where the word

1524
01:07:43,210 --> 01:07:40,730
converted and and there was a circus

1525
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:43,220
fire but there was no boarding house

1526
01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:44,690
fire so it's you know there's a lot of

1527
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:47,240
legends that blurred there but you know

1528
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:48,890
it still didn't quite make sense with

1529
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:51,440
these you know ghosts or little and then

1530
01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:52,730
we started hearing about alligator

1531
01:07:58,660 --> 01:07:55,760
people who were the many lights there

1532
01:08:00,400 --> 01:07:58,670
are little alligator Dwarfs and I'm like

1533
01:08:01,870 --> 01:08:00,410
what a crazy story and as we're

1534
01:08:04,510 --> 01:08:01,880
researching it people would you know

1535
01:08:05,980 --> 01:08:04,520
deadly serious oh don't go don't go

1536
01:08:07,089 --> 01:08:05,990
messin with the mini lights man you

1537
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:07,099
don't you don't want to mess with this

1538
01:08:12,579 --> 01:08:10,609
and it's like what is going on and then

1539
01:08:16,269 --> 01:08:12,589
yeah so we started looking into it even

1540
01:08:19,539 --> 01:08:16,279
further and we find you know the history

1541
01:08:21,789 --> 01:08:19,549
of it was actually super crazy because

1542
01:08:24,099 --> 01:08:21,799
st. Petersburg it was as far south as

1543
01:08:27,940 --> 01:08:24,109
you could get for a while before just

1544
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:27,950
hittin swamp and it was actually the

1545
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:30,410
alligator capital of the US for a little

1546
01:08:34,749 --> 01:08:32,089
while we had a lot of alligator farms

1547
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:34,759
here you know making that yes and purses

1548
01:08:40,030 --> 01:08:37,489
and all that and what they used to do to

1549
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:40,040
entertain the tourists was they would

1550
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:42,810
kidnap African American kids

1551
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:44,850
have them run around and be chased by

1552
01:08:51,140 --> 01:08:48,930
alligators oh no and we thought this was

1553
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:51,150
the most horrifying thing and we're like

1554
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:54,330
oh my god and then sure enough we found

1555
01:08:58,160 --> 01:08:56,250
in the st. Petersburg History Museum

1556
01:09:00,410 --> 01:08:58,170
archives which was invaluable to us

1557
01:09:02,140 --> 01:09:00,420
while we were researching this Marta

1558
01:09:06,349 --> 01:09:02,150
Jones the archivist there we love you

1559
01:09:08,420 --> 01:09:06,359
but they found a fan from one of these

1560
01:09:12,230 --> 01:09:08,430
farms that was like promoting the farm

1561
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,240
and it has a little african-american kid

1562
01:09:18,440 --> 01:09:14,400
you know almost like the Coppertone ad

1563
01:09:20,420 --> 01:09:18,450
being chased by an alligator you're and

1564
01:09:27,230 --> 01:09:20,430
that was their ad to get people to come

1565
01:09:28,490 --> 01:09:27,240
see it and that's like I said we didn't

1566
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:28,500
we didn't even know if we could put that

1567
01:09:34,610 --> 01:09:31,710
in the book and it's you know it's one

1568
01:09:36,559 --> 01:09:34,620
of those you know and I'm still spooked

1569
01:09:39,260 --> 01:09:36,569
to walk down Rosa Park because the

1570
01:09:41,180 --> 01:09:39,270
stories about you know it's actually now

1571
01:09:43,550 --> 01:09:41,190
it's converted to mini lightning the

1572
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:43,560
voodoo queen of st. Pete and she sends

1573
01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:44,970
her little alligator people to come

1574
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:49,140
getcha and it's just it's one of those

1575
01:09:52,790 --> 01:09:50,490
they're actually trying to make a movie

1576
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:52,800
out of it the vitaliy brothers here in

1577
01:09:57,290 --> 01:09:54,330
st. Petersburg they're famous girl

1578
01:09:59,450 --> 01:09:57,300
people they're actually trying to fund a

1579
01:10:01,220 --> 01:09:59,460
movie so if you look up mini lights the

1580
01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:01,230
movie you can see a trailer they did and

1581
01:10:05,300 --> 01:10:04,140
it's pretty spooky now and sounds like

1582
01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:05,310
it Thanks

1583
01:10:10,820 --> 01:10:08,910
easy stuff sinister stuff down there

1584
01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:10,830
I've never imagined let me ask you this

1585
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:12,510
is anybody see the ghost of Ernest

1586
01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:14,130
Hemingway down there in Key West or is

1587
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:16,260
he ever oh that's pretty that's one of

1588
01:10:21,050 --> 01:10:18,690
the big stories Jack Kerouac here in st.

1589
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:21,060
Pete his ghost is seen that was part of

1590
01:10:23,930 --> 01:10:22,320
the reason we didn't actually do those

1591
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:23,940
in the book much was because those were

1592
01:10:26,690 --> 01:10:25,110
the ones that were in all the other

1593
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:26,700
ghost stories yeah all the other ghost

1594
01:10:28,340 --> 01:10:28,110
holux ghosts the saint because in Key

1595
01:10:30,380 --> 01:10:28,350
West

1596
01:10:32,990 --> 01:10:30,390
Oh Babe Ruth haunts the hotel of the

1597
01:10:34,700 --> 01:10:33,000
Venoy you know and oh yeah yeah and all

1598
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:34,710
this and so we tried to get the stuff

1599
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:37,730
that not everybody knew well sure sure

1600
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:40,770
but ya know Key West Hemingway house is

1601
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:43,520
pretty notorious for him being there

1602
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:45,810
well they escaped all that damage from

1603
01:10:49,700 --> 01:10:47,610
that Harvey didn't they as I understand

1604
01:10:52,220 --> 01:10:49,710
it I mean you know a lot of the places

1605
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:52,230
didn't but we're still you know they're

1606
01:10:56,580 --> 01:10:54,850
still assessing down there but

1607
01:10:58,530 --> 01:10:56,590
Robert the doll seems okay understand no

1608
01:11:01,050 --> 01:10:58,540
he seems okay the artist has apparently

1609
01:11:02,370 --> 01:11:01,060
survived pretty well so you know we

1610
01:11:03,810 --> 01:11:02,380
haven't made a trip back down yet

1611
01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:03,820
ourselves we're kind of waiting for it

1612
01:11:06,990 --> 01:11:05,230
to get it back to normal but we're

1613
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:07,000
that's one of our and you know next

1614
01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:09,730
destinations for for a future book yeah

1615
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:13,030
as we do a follow-up book well I was in

1616
01:11:16,890 --> 01:11:15,610
Vegas that week and I was wanted I just

1617
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:16,900
animal lover I want to make sure the

1618
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:19,360
cats were alright but the Fox News

1619
01:11:23,730 --> 01:11:21,370
definitely said the cats were ok so I'm

1620
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:23,740
happy to see here that but evidently

1621
01:11:27,420 --> 01:11:25,450
that that house has missed a lot of

1622
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:27,430
hurricane damage it's really been it's

1623
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:30,490
escaped what happened there misses

1624
01:11:35,610 --> 01:11:33,010
there's legends all over the state on

1625
01:11:39,090 --> 01:11:35,620
how each city protects itself from these

1626
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:39,100
storms and it's kind of crazy and then

1627
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:41,440
in some of them Yohei some places have

1628
01:11:45,780 --> 01:11:43,210
never had a direct hit and you got to

1629
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:45,790
wonder you know that was really well

1630
01:11:48,780 --> 01:11:46,930
because everybody was kind of like

1631
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:48,790
shocked because they were sure the Key

1632
01:11:56,430 --> 01:11:50,250
West was just going to get slaughtered

1633
01:11:58,170 --> 01:11:56,440
but it did manage to make it my favorite

1634
01:11:59,700 --> 01:11:58,180
thing about the conch republic it's

1635
01:12:01,620 --> 01:11:59,710
that's what they call the Key West there

1636
01:12:05,850 --> 01:12:01,630
because they seceded from the Union one

1637
01:12:08,610 --> 01:12:05,860
day oh yeah and then declared war on the

1638
01:12:11,220 --> 01:12:08,620
United States and then immediately

1639
01:12:17,250 --> 01:12:11,230
surrendered and demanded 10 billion

1640
01:12:19,740 --> 01:12:17,260
dollars in foreign aid well don't they

1641
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:19,750
still sell like citizenship papers or

1642
01:12:24,150 --> 01:12:21,970
something for the conch republic yeah

1643
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:24,160
yeah it's the that's how kooky that town

1644
01:12:31,230 --> 01:12:28,000
is you gotta love it oh my god there's a

1645
01:12:32,670 --> 01:12:31,240
bunch of etc it really is but pretty

1646
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:32,680
much all the Florida if you go to the

1647
01:12:37,790 --> 01:12:35,890
right places I guess so I guess so

1648
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:37,800
well not Jacksonville seemed kind of

1649
01:12:41,940 --> 01:12:40,330
stayed though it was such a Navy town

1650
01:12:44,490 --> 01:12:41,950
and all that it was kind of conservative

1651
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:44,500
the old place but well that's you know

1652
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,050
they had a sea monster and they've got

1653
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:49,360
UFO sighting well yeah well yeah now

1654
01:12:54,090 --> 01:12:51,130
there are lots of UFO sightings I know

1655
01:12:57,210 --> 01:12:54,100
there are didn't as I understand it this

1656
01:12:59,160 --> 01:12:57,220
is you know just from dim memory but

1657
01:13:01,140 --> 01:12:59,170
didn't Columbus see all kinds of UFO

1658
01:13:01,810 --> 01:13:01,150
issues when he came over here originally

1659
01:13:04,330 --> 01:13:01,820
he

1660
01:13:07,569 --> 01:13:04,340
himself but his some of his boats

1661
01:13:09,220 --> 01:13:07,579
mentioned it yeah that they saw stuff

1662
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:09,230
flying around and then they also saw

1663
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:11,510
stuff glowing under the water and you

1664
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:15,679
know we we saw with those USO reports to

1665
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:17,570
this day I mean some of the fishermen we

1666
01:13:22,959 --> 01:13:20,050
talked to up in the near Gulf Breeze

1667
01:13:24,430 --> 01:13:22,969
where the famous UFO flap was back in

1668
01:13:26,620 --> 01:13:24,440
the air

1669
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:26,630
you know that's Eglin Air Force Base and

1670
01:13:30,250 --> 01:13:28,610
Pensacola Naval Base so if there's

1671
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:30,260
anything going on up there that might be

1672
01:13:33,879 --> 01:13:33,290
terrestrial in origin you know super

1673
01:13:35,589 --> 01:13:33,889
secret

1674
01:13:39,069 --> 01:13:35,599
it wouldn't be surprised if that's up

1675
01:13:40,540 --> 01:13:39,079
there but we had one captain man talking

1676
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:40,550
to him it was eerie

1677
01:13:46,209 --> 01:13:43,250
speaking of eerie Florida but he he was

1678
01:13:49,330 --> 01:13:46,219
like his his finder he has depth finder

1679
01:13:50,830 --> 01:13:49,340
he was in 400 feet depth and so his

1680
01:13:54,850 --> 01:13:50,840
depth finder alarm goes off because he's

1681
01:13:57,729 --> 01:13:54,860
at 12 feet depth and he rushes out to

1682
01:13:59,859 --> 01:13:57,739
the deck and this is this giant black

1683
01:14:01,720 --> 01:13:59,869
shape with glowing lights on the corners

1684
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:01,730
you know his just nut comes up from

1685
01:14:06,910 --> 01:14:04,730
under the water without making a sound

1686
01:14:09,490 --> 01:14:06,920
and then hovers above them Jayant black

1687
01:14:12,810 --> 01:14:09,500
triangle classic you know with a few

1688
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:12,820
little lights doesn't make a sound and

1689
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:15,290
you know hovers there for a little bit

1690
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:17,920
and then takes off at super speed and

1691
01:14:23,169 --> 01:14:21,050
the man man talking to him you could

1692
01:14:24,819 --> 01:14:23,179
tell this is not something he's making

1693
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:24,829
up this is something he experienced and

1694
01:14:29,709 --> 01:14:26,210
he's like yeah of course I took pictures

1695
01:14:31,419 --> 01:14:29,719
and so we looked at my Automator up

1696
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:31,429
marco we're coming right to the end

1697
01:14:36,850 --> 01:14:33,770
I urge everybody to get eerie flip go to

1698
01:14:38,379 --> 01:14:36,860
Erie Florida calm and rank because he'd

1699
01:14:40,270 --> 01:14:38,389
be making a big mistake if you didn't

1700
01:14:42,069 --> 01:14:40,280
but we've got to cut out guys it's been

1701
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:42,079
a great show it was a pleasure thank you

1702
01:14:47,470 --> 01:14:44,650
so much mark thank you guys so much